The Intersection of Cannabis and Technology with Katherine Sidman In this episode of the Bodacious Women in Cannabis podcast, I had the pleasure of speaking with Catherine Sidman, a seasoned professional in laboratory equipment sales who has been focused on the cannabis industry since 2010. Catherine shared her unique journey into the cannabis space, highlighting how her technical sales background and people skills made her a perfect fit for this evolving industry.
In this episode of the Bodacious Women in Cannabis podcast, I had the pleasure of speaking with Catherine Sidman, a seasoned professional in laboratory equipment sales who has been focused on the cannabis industry since 2010. Catherine shared her unique journey into the cannabis space, highlighting how her technical sales background and people skills made her a perfect fit for this evolving industry.
We delved into the intricacies of laboratory equipment used in cannabis extraction, discussing how these tools, although not unique to cannabis, play a crucial role in ensuring product safety and quality. Katherine explained the importance of vacuum ovens in the extraction process, drawing parallels to their use in other industries like pharmaceuticals and medical devices.
Our conversation also touched on the challenges faced by cannabis businesses, particularly around access to monetary systems and the regulatory landscape. Katherine emphasized the resilience and passion of cannabis operators, many of whom are multi-generational and deeply committed to the plant.
We explored the differences and tensions between the hemp and regulated cannabis markets, especially in light of recent legislative changes and the potential rescheduling of cannabis to Schedule 3. Catherine shared her insights on how these developments might impact the industry and the importance of normalizing cannabis use.
One of the highlights of our discussion was Catherine's love for the cannabis industry culture. She spoke passionately about the sense of community and support that exists among industry professionals, particularly at in-person events and conferences.
To wrap up, Catherine shared her contact information and encouraged listeners to connect with her on Instagram, LinkedIn, and the Future 4200 forum.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinesidman/
00:00:16 - Introduction to Bodacious Women in Cannabis Podcast
00:00:30 - Meet Your Host: Susan Burns
00:01:02 - Guest Introduction: Katherine Sidman
00:01:33 - Katherine's Journey into Laboratory Equipment Sales
00:02:27 - Transition to Cannabis Industry
00:03:11 - Unique Aspects of Cannabis Laboratory Equipment
00:04:05 - Challenges in Cannabis Business Transactions
00:04:49 - Learning from Industry Pioneers
00:05:32 - Importance of Vacuum Ovens in Cannabis Extraction
00:07:21 - Simplifying Extraction Processes
00:09:02 - Vacuum Processing Explained
00:10:16 - Introduction to Butane Honey Oil (BHO)
00:11:28 - Benefits of Non-Combustible Cannabis Products
00:12:57 - Safety and Regulation of Solvents
00:14:39 - Comparison with Other Industries
00:16:17 - Passion for the Cannabis Industry
00:18:33 - Reflections on the 2018 Farm Bill
00:20:00 - Challenges in Cannabis and Hemp Regulation
00:22:00 - Impact of Rescheduling to Schedule 3
00:24:26 - Market Demand for Low-Dose Products
00:25:46 - Regulatory Discrepancies Across States
00:26:31 - Passionate People in the Cannabis Industry
00:27:36 - Unique Bodaciousness in the Cannabis Industry
00:28:19 - Importance of In-Person Events
00:29:38 - Cannabis Industry Culture
00:31:19 - Where to Find Katherine Sidman
Annoouncer:
Welcome to the Bodacious Women in Cannabis podcast, the show where the bold and brilliant women cannabis business leaders share their journey and their expertise. Here's your host, Susan Burns.
Catherine Sidman: Welcome. This is your podcast host, Susan Burns, and I'm a cannabis lawyer and founder of Botanicals for Boomers. Moving around in this cannabis industry, I meet fabulously bodacious women. and they are inspiring each in their own way. And this podcast is my way of sharing that inspiration with you, our wonderful listeners. So today we're talking with Katherine Sidman, who you may have surmised is in laboratory equipment sales and she has been focused on the cannabis industry since 2010 and we were talking about having this very interesting conversation so I hit record because we were talking about the benefit of being together in person and being able to travel around the world and how that enhances things that are available in this industry. So welcome Catherine, let's continue.
Susan Burns: Thanks Susan, I'm really happy to be here.
Catherine Sidman: Yeah, I'm excited you could join. So tell us how you got involved in laboratory equipment sales and what moved you over into the cannabis industry. I guess that's how you moved from laboratory, just regular lab equipment and what's unique about cannabis. Yeah, sure.
Susan Burns: Well, it's interesting. Laboratory equipment sales kind of fell into my lap. I've always been kind of a nerdy person, but I'm also really a people person, so sales is a good fit for me. And I love technical things, so technical sales was a really good fit for me, and I was very fortunate. God just smiled upon me. And I lived in Portland, Oregon in the Portland metro area in a smaller city in that metroplex. and there was a manufacturing company that made laboratory equipment. I got hired there and I said, you know, I don't know anything about laboratory equipment per se. I understand technical concepts. I'm kind of a sharp gal. I can get the order, but I don't really know about laboratory equipment. The owner founder at that time, an older gentleman, said it's easier for me to teach a salesperson about laboratory equipment than it is to teach selling, teach sales and relationship building in that way, advocacy in that way to somebody who knows about lab equipment. So that's how I got started. You asked a really good question, and you said, what is unique to cannabis in terms of laboratory equipment? And the fun answer is absolutely nothing. There's really nothing new under the sun. And I got to be involved in the industry in this super interesting time, kind of post-medical, pre-adult recreational use, early in the 2000s. When it was still really difficult for businesses to do business with cannabis businesses, right? Most most companies purveyors of equipment Couldn't take cash couldn't really even take electronic payments, you know had to do a check set a business check in the mail often or do a wire transfer things that were very difficult for the unbanked cannabis industry to address That would be troublesome
Catherine Sidman: It was a wire transfer for the cannabis industry.
Susan Burns: Well, and the big hurdle was really, as it continues to be, and this is a persistent, durable problem in cannabis, but just access to monetary systems, access to whatever infrastructure businesses enjoy and appreciate, cannabis businesses couldn't have that. Getting involved in cannabis was great. what people were doing, because I had to become educated. And I was educated by J.D. Ellis, Graywolf, the original skunk farmers, Carla Kay, and Joe Oaks.
Catherine Sidman: The original skunk farmers?
Susan Burns: Yeah, so that was the skunk farm research. We have to, because lawyers said so. God bless lawyers. We have to say that they were the original skunk farmers, because skunk farm research is no longer owned by them. and no longer, uh, well, anyway, so, so many sentences I didn't finish and I feel so grown up right now. I feel so grown up, but, um, the original sign of a nerd. Um, but, uh, anyway, fuck those guys. Um, anyway, but the original skunk farmers, we love them. And, uh, They were kind, and they taught me what BHO was, and I never looked back. It's not so much any one piece of equipment, I feel like. Although, vacuum ovens. If you've ever seen a real friendly lady talking about blue vacuum ovens on YouTube, that was definitely a passion project of mine for a long time, how to make shatter better. But more than the equipment, it was really just forging the relationships and being able to become a resource in the space. Because people would come to me and say, I need to do this thing, and it's so complicated, and I'm trying to get this solvent out of this material. And that isn't complicated. It's complicated when you don't have access to the Fisher Science Catalog, then it becomes difficult, but these are processes that are used in industry every day. And so being able to not, not introduce, I didn't introduce anything to the cannabis industry. However, I was able to make available the tools so that they could do the work that they were already well on their way to doing.
Catherine Sidman: So you're talking about, you're throwing around a lot of terms that may not be familiar to our general listening audience. And so, and, and being a nerd myself, I would kind of like to understand just a little bit of what you're talking about with the extraction and, and like, how does the equipment make a difference to the product that we consume and the safety and the, the availability of like the terpenes and the cannabinoids and all that stuff to make sure it's safe and If you can just like dumb it down a little bit, which I hate to use that phrase.
Susan Burns: When this first came across my radar, so I'm selling equipment that's used for, um, electronics processing, manufacturing in aerospace, electronics, pharmaceutical. I want you to imagine implantable medical devices for a second, Susan. Think about anything that goes in your body. It could be a stint in your heart. It could be a breast implant. It could be a hernia patch. You know what I mean? It could be any of these. An insulin monitoring device. Anything that goes in your body. One of the last stages of manufacturing or any piece of equipment like that would be to go into a vacuum oven and a vacuum oven is a box connected to a pump that also heats and will pull all the air out of that vacuum oven and have it be at a negative pressure and then gently heat it up a little bit and what happens is that everything all of these chemicals that are part of manufacturing. It could just be a cleaning agent they use, or a solvent, or maybe it was some kind of solder on the metal piece. All of these chemicals that are in there that are really happy to sit in that medical device at ambient temperature and ambient pressure, those chemicals would just sit there, right? But when you put it under a vacuum, everything boils off and out gases. And so now not only is that implantable medical device very, very clean, now it's vacuum purged. So now it's especially clean and we can seal that up in a bag filled with nitrogen, send it to the hospital, and when your surgeon implants that into you, we know that none of those weird chemicals are going to leach out into your body, right, over time. Does that make sense? A little bit?
Catherine Sidman: Yeah, that's fascinating. I've always wanted to understand that.
Susan Burns: So vacuum processing, oh, there's so many applications. And vacuum processing, we could really geek out on that. It's very fun. Because molecules behave differently at different pressures. If you've ever looked at a cake mix, and it'll say, here's your directions. And then there's a little note, and it says high altitude directions.
Catherine Sidman: High altitude, yes.
Susan Burns: Because water boils differently at sea level and in Denver. Right? So that's kind of what vacuum technology is based on, is that the way the molecules behave at different pressures.
Catherine Sidman: That makes sense.
Susan Burns: So let's say we take cannabis. So my familiarity with cannabis was flour, was this joint that I've been smoking while we're on this call, quite frankly. And that's my experience with cannabis. What on earth would you need this specialized equipment for? And somebody said BHL, I didn't know what that was, but the Google machine told me. What did you say, DHL? DHL is sending things overseas. Yeah. DHL is butane, honey oil.
Catherine Sidman: DHL, okay, you had said that earlier, I wasn't tracking with you.
Susan Burns: concentrate so we call it different things now, but but it's a you you but I mean back in the day and people still do this and they should not unsafe at any speed but they'll Essentially, you're just running solvent over that flower and that and the polarity of the solvent in this case butane or propane a hydrocarbon solvent the polarity of that solvent is perfect for just knocking those trichomes off and and extracting that from the flower. And so this is how we get products like dabs. or vape carts, or the extruded, like you've seen cannabis extraction and they have like honey, it's like a really pretty honey color and kind of sticky, icky looking. I'm getting excited about it right now. But are you familiar with those products, Susan? Do you know what I mean?
Catherine Sidman: You know I am, and people give them to me all the time and I don't know what to do with them, so I just give them away.
Susan Burns: Oh, I'll teach you.
Catherine Sidman: Oh, love it. When I come to Minnesota in August, I can give you a tutorial on that. I don't know if we want to see me then, but those products are interesting.
Susan Burns: Those products are interesting because a non combustible cannabis delivery methods are convenient. They're odor free. They're pre-packaged. You can have, I mean, I have a joint over here, in my little joint holder, my little Clippy's joint holder, but that's also making smoke and I have an air filter and I'm in my house or whatever or I could have this handy little pen that has a high quality cannabis extract in it Excellent dosing for people who need medical doses. Well, medical or I mean, Gray Wolf would say that cannabis is such good medicine, some people just use it for the side effects. So maybe you just want a little. I don't know. But it's a very helpful delivery method. And in terms of preservation of what you mentioned, the terpenes and the full spectrum of the plant, lots of work is yet to be done on this to actually compare the different extraction methods. If the nose knows anything and if taste tells you anything, BHO and hydrocarbon solvent extraction generally is one of the best ways to capture that full plant profile with the terpenes and all the minor cannabinoids.
Catherine Sidman: Okay, but what about the solvents? What happens to them?
Susan Burns: What about the solvents? Well, just like when they use butane as an FDA approved food safe solvent, when you feed your children chicken nuggets from McDonald's, which arguably is wrong for a lot of reasons. I know, my grandkids don't get to eat any of that junk, but I fed it to their parents, I'll tell you that. Anyway, that slurry that they make to make chicken McNuggets is processed through butane and they use it as an extraction to clean that slurry before it's formed into those little shapes. Butane is used or hydrocarbon solvents are used in our food and cosmetics industry and solvents are used all the time and then all they have to do is be safely removed. So that's where vacuum technology comes in because at a really low temperature we're able to off-gas those solvents. And any regulated marketplace will have residual solvent requirements for testing, and it's very easy to meet those. I think what we learn in cannabis, and it's interesting, I have this meme idea in my mind, and it's a person kind of with their hand in a bag of hot Cheetos. also looking at cannabis packaging and saying, but what about the residual solvents? And this isn't natural. You know what I mean? It's a little bit, I feel like cannabis, the cannabis that I consume is more highly regulated than any of the food that I eat. Certainly. I know more about it. I have more information about the cannabis I consume than any of the food that I eat.
Catherine Sidman: Well, I agree with that. And I think, um, you know, that, Cannabis is under such a microscope in terms of regulation and how good or bad it is. But for God's sakes, we have GMOs that are contributing what damage to the planet. And it's all approved by and blessed by agencies. So, I mean, to me, it's a little absurd that we're so focused on the plant. But to me, I want it to be so good, I want it to be healthy.
Susan Burns: The answer is not that cannabis is too scrutinized, but that the rest of our consumables aren't. So I know that there's less heavy metals and pesticides in my cannabis than there is in Gerber rice cereal. I know that there's more lead in baby food. than there is in my THC seltzer. It's pretty horrifying and pretty shocking that companies that sell products to all of our families, all of us, moms and dads and babies and children and sisters and brothers and every person on the planet, we're allowed to eat things and consume things at levels that would put any cannabis business out of business because it's not right. You know what I mean?
Catherine Sidman: And so the fact that- Yeah, so I like that. I like that idea. that it's that other industries should be as scrutinized. I think that's a good platform. What do you like most about what you do, Catherine?
Susan Burns: Oh, it's the people. It's always the people, Susan, isn't it? It's the It's the people. You know what I mean? I'm in service to some fantastic operators. The level of hustle that you have to have to be in cannabis, the level of hustle is always there. It's high, and I've seen it change from people hustling to get into the space because there was so much money into it, to people hustling to stay in the space because there isn't enough money in it. And that's the common denominator, is people that will relentlessly work towards that goal and keep themselves going and have a passion for the plant, where most of the people that I work with There's no fallback position. They're multi-generation cannabis operators and this is what they do and it has to work out for them. And so how do I come alongside them with my connections or some kind of technology or some kind of marketing plan or some kind of networking or some kind of introduction to just help them take that next step forward and be profitable in the cannabis industry in 2024?
Catherine Sidman: Yeah. And I don't, I just, I've been a lawyer for decades and, um, I was thinking about hanging up my hat and then along came hemp and the farm bill and then all the cannabis legalization.
Susan Burns: Yeah.
Catherine Sidman: It's so, it's so, uh, that's a whole nother discussion for a whole nother day. But, um, to me there, the people in this industry are so fascinating and creative and it's, there's something special about working with people in the industry. And so when you were just talking, it reminded me of that, that sort of breath of fresh air when I started practicing. I mean, there's also the other side of it too, which is not attractive. And I've had my fair dose of that.
Susan Burns: I think this feels like what 2018 felt like. I remember being on the show floor at MJBiz. I'm super looking forward to MJBizCon this year in Vegas. I know it's only May and that's in December, but I already have two standing weekly calls just planning for that event. So excited about that. But I remember being on the show floor in 2018 and we were all looking at each other and we didn't know. Nobody knew. Anybody who said they know didn't know. Nobody knew shit. But we didn't know what the 2018 Farm Bill meant. The details were released just a few days prior. But we knew it was a big freaking deal. And I feel the same way right now, both with the, with both salient announcements that have come out in the last, you know, little bit of schedule three and a revised farm bill. You know, I… Similar amendment, you mean? I straddle, I straddle both worlds. And to me, where I come from, and this is going to be offensive to people I do not want to offend, But it's the same thing. I want good things. So I'm in positions on both sides, on the hemp side and the regulated state-level adult use cannabis market. And doggone it, those two groups do not help each other out at all. And I'm not talking about in the marketplace, but even with regulation or whatever, they're working at cross-purposes. And it's frustrating for me to see, because to me, the push forward is normalizing cannabis and The antis that are ingrained antis, the war against drugs people, the way anti-cannabis devil's lettuce folks, I can't ever change their minds. I'm not trying to change their minds, right? They're on the fringe of the bell curve and they're just going to be that way and they're going to probably die out over time. God bless them because I love many of them. But what I'm interested in is that like a portion of the bell curve slanting up towards the middle, and the middle is cannabis is normal. Maybe I don't use it, but I don't really care about it just the way I don't care about people drinking beer or whatever. We can move the needle with those people and normalize cannabis. And what's difficult is when the adult use industry, right, rails against They have intoxicating cannabinoids. These hemp motherfuckers have intoxicating cannabinoids and they're in gas stations and they appeal to children and cannabinoids are terrible and evil. And whoa, wait, what? Like that message doesn't help us. That messaging doesn't help us, because you're further giving ammunition to people who are already saying cannabinoids are wrong and bad and terrible. And so how do we navigate these conversations? And how do we link?
Catherine Sidman: Well, and couple that with the rescheduling to Schedule 3, and then you've got who takes it over? Pharmaceuticals. Yep. On the story.
Susan Burns: Yep. So I, you know, and, and the people on the regulated side, adult use regulated side say we, well, this isn't fair because we had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get our license and to be fun to pay our fees and whatever. And these people just get to do it any old place. Guess what? The people that are the people that are doing well in hemp. are people that have GMP facilities, and they're already ready. They are ready. So be careful what you wish for, because I know that you passed CEQA. That's a California Environmental Compliance thing, which is a very heavy lift for anybody in California to do. But I know that you passed all your stuff, and I know that you made it, and you got your license in your state, and you're jealous because they didn't have to do that. But they did this other thing that would be a really heavy lift for you. And I don't know. in a fair marketplace, where consumers had access to the goods and services that they wanted, right? And they could access those things. Cannabis, and when I say cannabis, I mean like what we think of as the regulated adult use market, like weed, marijuana, pot will beat hemp. Right? Hemp, the success of the hemp that the hemp industry has enjoyed is a result of prohibition. And people want to get high. And people in prohibition states want to get high. And so they will. People want the least. OK, you're shaking your head.
Catherine Sidman: Tell me why I'm wrong. I'm going to challenge that statement, because I'm in Minnesota and we were a hemp forward state and all of our hemp derivatives are regulated. So that came first, that was the chicken and the egg was, adult use was just legalized last session, but you can't, no businesses can operate until March 1, 2025. So the statute was set in place in 2023. They tweaked it this year and now 2025, they've established an office of cannabis, but before that, we had only hemp derived products, regulated five milligrams per dose. And a lot of the people for a couple of my clients that were their primary customers were women between the ages of 45 and 70. But so how does it wasn't it wasn't with what I'm saying. So people some people like the lower dose.
Susan Burns: Sure.
Catherine Sidman: There's a huge market for that. So for me to go into like a Vegas dispensary and the lowest product is a 50 milligram gummy, the lowest dose, I'm like, I can't even slice small enough, you know, so I think there's room for both.
Susan Burns: I think there absolutely is.
Catherine Sidman: And I think the market, I think the point that you're making, I think And I think it's a really good one, and the ultimate point is that the market will sort itself out.
Susan Burns: If there's a market, see, that's what I'm saying. In a fair marketplace, there are people that will choose Delta 8, and they choose Delta 8 intentionally because there's medical benefits for them that Delta 9 THC doesn't have. And that has nothing to do with whether or not where you can buy it or anything else. It has to do with the fact that they want that for themselves. The problem is that we don't have a fair marketplace we have this bizarre marketplace right now today in my office i have superior molecular sodas. five milligram THC soda made in Minnesota at my house. I can have that, but you can't have a gummy that's manufactured that I can get in California. It's bizarre. The regulations are- Right, but I don't want that gummy. I know, well, maybe you do, but the thing is if you- No, I get your point.
Catherine Sidman: Yeah. I get your point. Because it's federally legal, it enjoys free transportation, which you can't have with an illegal substance. And even people are saying, oh, rescheduling is such a great bonus. No, it doesn't really do anything. It doesn't make it legal.
Susan Burns: No, and I don't think it will help people with 280E the way they think it will. It won't help many of the people in my network. Because they're still going to be operating if it's schedule three I don't know anything and I'm not an expert in that field, but I don't think that it's I I don't think it's gonna help the people that I serve But who knows maybe it will I don't know Well, yeah the future remains to be seen doesn't it? Yeah
Catherine Sidman: You know, but, um, one thing, Catherine, that I was also thinking about is when you were talking about, um, the people you work with and, and people in the industry and how passionate they are. And, and, and, um, and that's one of the things that I noticed too, whether you're on the cannabis hemp weeds or cannabis weed marijuana side or the cannabis hemp side. Everybody is passionate about what they do. And I love that. And I love the robust discussions like we're dabbling in right now. But also, when I, my signature question, which I'm going to ask you for this podcast is what makes you uniquely bodacious. And so when I first started the podcast, everybody would say, I'm passionate about the industry. So now I have to say, and it's not that you're passionate about the industry because there's nothing unique about that in this industry, you know? So it's, it's a, it's makes it a very vibrant industry because of the passion of the people involved.
Susan Burns: Do you agree with that? Oh, I do. And I think I go back to the in-person events. Like I was talking to a friend in my community and I said, you know, you manage a grocery store. Imagine every other month going to a conference with five to thirty five thousand other managers of a grocery store and all of the things that make managing a grocery store easier and all of the talks and all the symposiums and your peers who have the troubles you have and who can laugh about the same things and you understand supply chain issues only as you do as a manager of a grocery store Imagine if you guys got together and hung out how awesome that would be like that's when I travel That's what I'm doing. And there's this idea that's been coming up in my head that it's not so much My passion doesn't lie so much in the cannabis in the cannabis culture because I'm a 52-year-old Sunday school teacher and I'm somebody's nana. And what I really want to do is go grow the best lettuce I can in my garden and hang out at the farmer's market in Weaverville, California. That's really me living my best life. passion is with the cannabis industry culture, right? So maybe not cannabis culture, maybe that's not my thing, but cannabis industry culture, whatever that is, whatever this magical thing is, when we get together and we're going to Nikan, or we're going to CannaCon, or we're going to Benzinga, or we're going to MJ Biz, and we're listening to each other speak, man, I love I love going and moderating panels. That's kind of my thing. But I love listening to my friends speak because I'm like, that's my girl. She's a subject matter expert and I freaking love it. That's my guy. He knows his shit. I've watched him over the years. I just, I can't get enough of it. So I love the conferences. I love those opportunities to be together and cannabis industry culture is my jam. That's my jam.
Catherine Sidman: I like that. I haven't heard that before from anybody.
Susan Burns: Well, there it is. Yeah, you know, it came up with a conversation with the Beard Bros. I was talking to the Beard Bros and they're, I'm involved with a good life gang. Look it up. It's Future 4200. It's mostly an extraction thing, but we get together and have in-person networking events. We're looping the Beard Bros. into that because they kind of represent cultivation we represent extraction it's a good mix and I mean we were getting ready to to talk to MJBiz official about some things that we could do with them and for them during BizCon in Vegas next year and that was kind of where this idea came because the beer bros are always saying you know we bring the culture we bring the culture I'm not cool enough to bring the cannabis culture like I'm not that cool girl I don't I don't have that But you know what I have? I have the cannabis industry culture. I know those people. That's my tribe. I understand them. I can meet them at their point of need with introductions, equipment, a shoulder to cry on, a big hug. Oh, I love hugging these guys more than anything. I will pray for you. You can call me up and tell me you blew something up and I won't make you feel dumb about it. And I'll go find an expert and ask them a hard question that you don't want to ask because your guy screwed it all up. I don't know. But the cannabis industry, I'm for it. I'm for it. And I'm for these people that work so hard. And I want to just continue to be of service to them. And it's changing. The way that looks is changing. And as it changes, I hope that I can evolve with it and always just be providing value to the people that are putting in the work.
Catherine Sidman: Nice. So where can we find you, Catherine? Where can people find you?
Susan Burns: You can find me on Instagram and any day that account might go away. But until then, it's a little bit of fun. I'm Sidcoe underscore Kat. Be careful because there's like 25 fake accounts. and they all want to sell you cryptocurrency. And if you've known me for more than 35 seconds, you would never take financial advice from me. You would take all the hugs in the world, but you would never buy cryptocurrency. So God bless you. Don't do that. SIDCO underscore cat. And then LinkedIn. LinkedIn seems fairly reliable so far, but the minute we all start liking it, they'll start messing with us too. That's how this goes. So you can find me on LinkedIn. I'm Katherine Sidman. You can always find me on future4200.com. That's my favorite place. And you can find me at the farmer's market.
Catherine Sidman: Future4200.com.
Susan Burns: That is the largest cannabis extraction website on the planet. All right. Open forum for all things cannabis extraction knowledge. and some people behaving very badly, but that's all right. Avoid those dark alleys and you'll be fine.
Catherine Sidman: Thank you so much, Catherine. It's been an absolute pleasure talking with you.
Susan Burns: This was really fun, Susan. I appreciate the opportunity.