The Human Companion Plant: Insights from a South African Rastafarian Healer In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Sista Vee Nohombile Bush, a Rastafarian from South Africa and the author of "Cannabis is the Human Companion Plant." Sista Vee. shared her incredible journey and deep connection with cannabis, which she has been working with since she was 12 years old.
In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Sista Vee Nohombile Bush, a Rastafarian from South Africa and the author of "Cannabis is the Human Companion Plant." Sista Vee. shared her incredible journey and deep connection with cannabis, which she has been working with since she was 12 years old.
Sista Vee. explained her African name and her close ties with the Isikosa tribe, who protected her during her field research. She currently resides in Plettenberg Bay, South Africa, where she serves as the medical officer at the Cannock Club, a private cannabis club. As a registered traditional healer, she uses the whole cannabis plant in her treatments, including the bud, leaves, roots, and seeds, and emphasizes the importance of using virgin organic coconut oil.
We delved into her book, which was inspired by her grandmother, also a healer. Sista Vee. shared how her grandmother continues to guide her through visions and dreams, helping her stay on her path of healing with plant medicine. She discussed the challenges she faced, including multiple arrests and the need to work in secret due to the legal status of cannabis in South Africa during apartheid.
Sista Vee. highlighted the medical benefits of cannabis, noting its effectiveness in treating a wide range of conditions, including liver diseases and even cancer. She also touched on the fascinating history of the endocannabinoid system, which dates back 350 million years, and its presence in various animals, except for bees.
We also discussed the current legal landscape of cannabis in South Africa, where it is now legal for private use but not for trade. Sista Vee expressed her concerns about the challenges facing the hemp industry in the United States and the need for more collaboration and understanding of the plant's benefits.
To wrap up, Sista Vee shared how listeners can purchase her book and connect with her on social media. It was an enlightening conversation that showcased the profound impact of cannabis on health and well-being, and I am grateful to have had the opportunity to share Sista Vee's wisdom with our audience.
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Susan Burns:
Hi, this is your podcast host, Susan Burns, a cannabis lawyer and the founder of Botanicals for Boomers. As I move around in this fabulous industry, I meet some uniquely bodacious women. They are inspiring each in their own unique way. And this podcast is a way to share the inspiration that I receive from all of these women with you, our wonderful listeners. And today we are talking with Sista V. Nombile Bush. She's a Rastafarian from South Africa and the notable author of Cannabis is the Human Companion Plant and I could not agree more. Welcome Sista V.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: It's so joyous to be here, Susan. Thanks for this invitation. It's a real honor and privilege to be on your show. I'm super excited to chat with you.
Susan Burns: It's great. It's great. I have to say, you're the first Rastafarian I've spoken with.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Oh, wow. I'm honored. I'm super honored.
Susan Burns: Yeah. So talk to us. You're in South Africa right now as we speak. What are you doing? Tell us about your book, your mission, even your name.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: That is my African name and I'm very blessed to have an African family and the tribe is known as the Isikosa people. It has a click on the X, X-H-O-S-A. And I lived with them for a long time in the rural part of our country, which we call the Eastern Cape. And I was very blessed because they took such great care of me and protected me from the authorities while I was doing my field research, you know, in making my medicine, which is the cannabis coconut connection. So yes, I am in South Africa. I'm in a little town called Klettenburg Bay, where I am living with, in this town where my children are also living here, my grandchildren. And I'm currently consulting as the medical officer at the Cannock Club, which is one of our private youth clubs here in Klettenburg Bay. I've had quite a long association with them. In 2021, I did my National book launch for the human companion found here in Breckenberg Bay and That was wonderful. So they are Invited me to be their medical officer since I'm a registered traditional healer.
Susan Burns: Yeah country and So you wait hold on you're you're all that you're a registered traditional healer Yes, yes, yes, and that's a doctor and We don't have anything close to that concept here in the United States. That's really interesting. That's amazing.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Susan, we are so blessed in my country. 82% of our population consult with traditional healers here. And we are so, so blessed. In my own personal life, I've been working with the plants since I was a very young girl, since I was 12 years old. And I've been blessed to work with traditional healers who have been working with the cannabis plant for hundreds of years in their families. And, you know, that's where I got my training and my knowledge from, from the Rastafarians, from the Xhosa people, and from the Khoisan people, which are the First Nations of our country. Yeah, so very, very blessed. Fascinating.
Susan Burns: Yes. So you are really legacy plant based coming from that whole background. Similar to I think they use in a lot of Asian cultures, they use cannabis as part of their herbal medicine. Yes, definitely. And your book, Cannabis is the Human Companion Plant, I think I read, if I remember correctly, I read that it was inspired by your grandmother. Is that correct?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Well, yes, it's very true. My grandmother was also a healer. And part of my being a traditional healer involves working with the divine realm. So I'm very, very connected to the ancestors. So much so that I get, they work through visions and dreams, and I often have a dream of a patient before the patient even contacts me, and then I'll know exactly what dose to give. So that's part of my gift, if I can call it a gift, because I think it is. Yeah. So my grandmother is still very busy in my life and insists, you know, because I've obviously been through some stuff and had moments in my life where I would Question what I'm doing in my past and things like that and and for real my grandmother would always come through somehow she would find a way to give me a message that I and I must stay on this path of Healing with plant medicine and and recently as recently as 2019. She was sending messages over So, yes, it's very powerful very powerful And I'm very grateful because, as I said to you earlier, I've been working with the Canada Sound since I was 12 years old, actively consulting, going out into the fields with my teachers, to places in our country where there was no no form of clinics or any kind of preventative healthcare happening. So we would go into those communities with the sack of herds. And I was absolutely amazed as a young one to see how many medical conditions this one specific plant can assist people with. And now today, Today, I know that it actually is implicated in 678 medical conditions, including corona and Alzheimer's disease. And I think, you know, that's really something because in my botanical studies, I've not come up, I work with many other herbs as well, you know, there's a plant for everything. But this particular plant is just a plant of renown. And this is why I call it the human companion plant, because In my life, I've healed thousands of people, Susan, thousands. I can't even count. I've lost count many years ago of people who have been able to help, and it's all because of the endocannabinoid system. So the presence, the actual fact that we have an endocannabinoid system is the biological proof for me, in my opinion, of course, that this plant is the human companion.
Susan Burns: And so when you talk to us, I agree with you and we have insurance or a clinic concept here, a medical clinic called HMOs, Health Maintenance Organizations. And as I learn, keep learning about the cannabis plant and all of its beauty, I keep thinking it's an HMO in one plant, you know, like it's an entire medical plan, healthcare plan in one one little plant I keep reading about new things new to you know that I didn't know that plant could could touch tell us a little bit about how how you use the plant I mean I know you said it can be used for so many things but do you I mean do you use it in all the forms like as a distillate as a for smoking as just as a tea or what I mean any everything or I don't know.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: I'm not familiar with that kind of medicine. So that's a great question, Susan. I do get asked that quite a lot, because a lot of people just think that I'm just about smoking because I'm a Rastafarian. But it's not actually like that. But I won't go into that. But let me just say from the beginning, as a doctor, obviously, I have a moral compass when it comes to suggesting smoke inhalation as a medication for patients. There are certain patients who are definitely and most certainly within my soul, knowing that it is the right thing for them. There are some patients who will benefit from puffing, right? And it can be CBD. I'm very big on the CBD. We grow CBD bud at the Canada Club and You know, I encourage people who need to smoke because certain people like to smoke. And you know, Susan, it wasn't so long ago in 1976 that doctors, medical doctors, were telling patients, even pregnant women. I was in the hospitals at that time, encouraging them to smoke cigarettes for relaxation. Yeah. That's a fact, yeah. So back to your question, I only use the whole plant. I do not work with isolates, distillates, MCT mixes, anything extracted with alcohol. I only work with virgin organic coconut oil. And the second chapter in my book is called The Cannabis Coconut Connection. That's the name of my medicine. And I even have my recipe in my book so people can make the medicine at home. And I've had wonderful feedback of people who have actually done that and healed somebody in their family. So that's really amazing. Wow. Yeah. So I use the whole plant. I use the bud. I use the leaves. I use the roots. I don't use the stems and the little sticks and that because it really isn't much in there at all. And I also use the seed. I'm very, very big on hemp seed oil. In fact, I've actually, in my practice, I've got all my, taken all my patients off fish oil and put them onto hemp seed oil for brain health, the daily maintenance. Yeah. And I recently cured an ear infection with hemp seed oil. So it's absolutely amazing. So I use the whole plant especially for the liver patients, the roots. A lot of people don't know this. The root of the canna plant has got a special chemical in it called fredolin. And this fredolin is all about healing the liver. So all my fatty liver, liver cancer patients, anybody who's got cirrhosis, anything for the liver. They get a big dose of root in their oil as well. And then the leaf of course, I sell the leaf, I grind it up and I put it into a bag for people to use for their smoothies, soups, teas. Because did you know that the cannabis leaf is filled with antioxidants, filled with vitamins A, B, E and K. There's no other plant on earth that can give you those. Vitamin B is one of the hardest things to find in the food chain these days. Yes. So I also make capsules. So I make it with the coconut oil, right? And that's my base mix. And then from there, I make capsules. I make suppositories. I make a topical oil. And we also make a body butter. And then the hemp leaf as well. Those are my products and you know with those products I've been able to treat of women believe I'm writing another book about clinical practice for healers and doctors You know, it's a sharing some of my clinical practice with the other Up-and-coming wheelers.
Susan Burns: It's important that I do Wow We need to get you over here Except they would like they would they would want they would want to keep you there, but you could use some of that here A couple years ago, I talked to my internist and I said I wanted a cannabis prescription and she said, oh, I have no idea how to do that. You have to call the state, which was, I mean, no, but nobody in our, not nobody, but it's not, it's not common for anybody here to know in the United States to know about cannabinoids. And in fact, when they ask for drug interactions, they don't even ask if you take CBD or that anything like that, which is a big mistake in my opinion. But anyway, I love what you're doing. So usually when I'm when I'm talking with women on this podcast, I like, oh, what interested you in this and how did you get involved in it? And One thing that I think is common with everyone is, what are your struggles? And you were talking about connecting with your grandmother as you struggled with staying on the path or not, or those kinds of things. So share a little bit of your struggles, and what happened, and how you overcame and blossomed as a result of that.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Well, thank you, Susan. The thing is, I think that the biggest tribulations and sacrifices of my life was happening during the hectic times of constantly getting raided and harassed and arrested. It was so bad, Susan, that I had to give my children back to their father because we were divorced. So I had to I had to live with that humility and I still do I still do even and so it's That was the biggest sacrifice to me in my life. Oh my gosh, but I am I am Reunited with my children. Oh in total. I was arrested about 14 times and in a 20-year space. So that was really hectic because it was in different times to where I was living, and then I would have to relocate there because the court cases would continue for years on end, etc., etc. So lots of sacrifices, and I had to work in secret. I had to work in secret most of my life because I'm a threat to the pharmaceutical industry and to the doctors and to any other oil maker really, you know. So, you know, and I have these problems in, you know, I've lived in almost every town in my country because of getting stuck with the court cases. So, yeah, and today things are much easier. Also, the thing is when we were living in the apartheid times, I don't know if you, how much you know of our history, we had a radical racial,
Susan Burns: I didn't know some about it, not as much as you do, obviously, but yeah.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Well, you know, as a person who follows the ideology of His Majesty Emperor El-Selassie in the form of Rastafari, you know, I cannot tolerate that. And I was living in a country that was completely committed to racialism. So that, you know, and I'm sure you know from a legal side even that the whole prohibition of cannabis is deeply rooted in racism, and especially in my country. In fact, in my country, when they brought the Indians over to Durban for the sugar cane, that's when they presented prohibition in South Africa to take the Indian people's sacrament away from them. You know, they couldn't control the people and their consciousness. So that's quite embarrassing for me. But at least now our privacy bill has just been visited and passed through the president, did sign it eventually. So cannabis has been removed from the drug schedule in my country. So that's amazing. And we have a wonderful privacy ruling that we fought for. So it doesn't have any limits, and there are going to be regulations, but we do at least have that. So there has been a lot less kicking down of doors by police, you know.
Susan Burns: Okay, so the legal status is that it is legal now?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Yeah, basically legal, yeah. Nice. But you're not allowed to trade, that's the trick. No trade allowed.
Susan Burns: That means you can't sell it for money? What do they mean by no trade?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: No trade, no exchange of money. At one point they didn't even want you to get the plot. How are you supposed to get it then? Exactly, you're supposed to grow it yourself. So this is where… Susan, this is so interesting because this is where the emergence of the cannabis private clubs came. Because yes, yes, you know in my country a lot of people live in informal dwellings like we call them shacks and Locations things like that. So there's no space for gardening and if you did garden, it would be Attract the criminals, etc, etc. So this is how the the beauty of the private cannabis clubs came about, you know, and I'm as I say, I'm the medical officer of the cannabis club here in Fleckenberg Bay and such a wonderful family that runs it and working so nicely. They love Rastafari. So yeah. Very positive. I'm deeply concerned about what's happening in your country with the CBD. What is going on in Iowa, Kelly?
Susan Burns: Iowa and then we have on the federal level. Well, there is an attack on the hemp industry nationwide. And I think it's the same thread. In my opinion, it's driven by the large MSOs in the marijuana cannabis industry. Because here, they co-opted the name of cannabis for marijuana. So hemp, I guess, isn't cannabis anymore. I don't know what they're thinking, even though it is cannabis. It's a big dot com to do that. Yeah, so in my brain, I think of it as weed and hemp because when I say cannabis, it includes hemp in my brain. That's how I grew up with it, you know. But anyway, so there's a threat to the industry from the weed industry, from the hemp-derived industry, and then also the medical industry, as you were saying. So there's a concerted effort to shut down hemp businesses because hemp is, because it's federally legal, it's not subject to a lot of the same stringent things and the You can't deduct certain business operating expenses if you're a cannabis or weed business because it's federally illegal, but you still have to pay taxes. So there's a huge tax disadvantage, which already cuts into the profit margin of weed. The worst thing to me is that what's happening in Congress with the Miller Amendment, and I'm just going to publish a series of five articles on that coming out here soon. But yeah, that would be tragic if that passed.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: You know, as my friend Chris Jay says, and he's been working with Americans for the past 30 years, it would be very sad if the past 30 years of activism was only to get some decaf coffee. You know? Right. We cannot allow it. Yeah. Yeah.
Susan Burns: Yeah. Well, thankfully there are some people working on it, and I hope that cooler heads will prevail. I mean, to me, everybody should be working together because the whole plant is beautiful in all of its forms, and there's room in the market for everybody. Obviously here, hemp is three-tenths of a percent or less THC, so it's a low-dose market, which is an entirely different market than the higher dose market. So there's room for everybody. And I mean, to me, if I was the weed industry, the weed side, I'd be saying, have people come and join us because you don't, why should we be subjected to this tax? No, they're not subject to an extra tax, but in essence, it is what happens. They get an extra tax. They pay more tax because they can't make certain deductions. So why should they be subject to that? They shouldn't. you know, and it to me, it's so disingenuous for the government to say, what you're doing is illegal. So you can't deduct your business expenses. But here you have to pass taxes on your your revenue. I mean, that doesn't. This is crazy. But it's crazy. It's all crazy. In my opinion.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: I totally agree with you, Susan.
Susan Burns: But we want to talk about you. That's why we're here today. To talk about you. What else can I tell you, Susan?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Go ahead.
Susan Burns: You go. Where can people grab your book? Cannabis is a human companion plant. How can we purchase that?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: I have had a few, quite a few people from the United States order my book and it takes about three weeks to get over there. So, you can contact me via the socials or, you know, I'm on the Facebook and Instagram. The book has a page on Facebook, Human Companion Farm. Yeah, so most people just get hold of me through the socials.
Susan Burns: And what's your handle on the socials?
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: It's Sister V Norm Bile, and that's Sister S-I-S-T-A B-E-E, and I'll spell my African name, N-O-H-O-M-B-I-L-E, Norm Bile. they'll find me on the socials and they can just pop me a message and then we can swap numbers and chat. I would absolutely love to have my book in the States. The people who have read my book have given me such amazing reviews. I've tried so hard to make this book accessible to the average person out there who doesn't have a medical background, and even people who may never even have heard of cannabis before. And so the feedback that I have been receiving in the past four years, I'm really happy with, because people are saying that they really could understand what I was saying. And the one review from my friend Mark Pfeiffer, one of the growers, he said it's like a medical textbook that reads like a magazine. Wow. Yes, so I did it like in question format in short chapters and, you know, in short heading, nice headings so that it's not a, because you can really fall asleep reading a medical book, yeah?
Susan Burns: You sure can. Yeah, yeah. Oh, gosh, I'm going to order it. I'm anxious to read it.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Amazing. And if you know of any publishers, I am looking to sell my foreign rights to the United States for a publisher who might be interested in taking the book over.
Susan Burns: I'm sure somebody that's listening will know. I'm sure the right person is there. I am the lawyer. The lawyer.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: So tell me, can I ask you a question, Susan? Well, I guess so. Have you ever defended somebody for a cannabis crime?
Susan Burns: I have not. I've solely been involved in the business aspect of it. I was just curious. Yeah, I've had the privilege of representing a lot of really fabulous people, good people, hardworking, people that believe in the benefits of the plant and want to make sure it gets into people's hands that want it and need it in a legal way. And so it's really, to me, I've been focused on the hemp industry and to me it's been an amazing journey. It's actually humbling to be a part of it, I think, because it's I find it just awesome in not the trite way, but it inspires awe in me constantly.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Beautiful, Susan. I really respect your work. I think like myself, I think we're both very scarce characters in the cannabis realm because you don't often find a committed full-time cannabis lawyer, if I can use that word, or attorney, let alone a female And, you know, like there's very few medical cannabis doctors, certainly cannabis practitioners, if you say.
Susan Burns: Yeah. Yes, that's true. And a lot of times, a lot of times here, there are doctors who will just say, oh, you have pain. OK, here, I'll give you a prescription. And there's there's not it. It isn't really a medicine like let's see what you're you know, which cannabinoids, which terpenes, which you know, what, let's, okay, let's try this. Let's try THC versus CBD. Let's try this combination and, you know, let's take the lemonade out because, you know, there's no, and there's such an opportunity, as you know, for the, to really bring it in so that it works with the endocannabinoid system of that person.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: Yeah, right now, the biggest, concern I have is dosing. And I spend so much time on my phone every day, all night sometimes, working with different people who are referred to me, and they're having reactions, let's say. So people and doctors out there, you guys really need to quickly go and look up the biphasic effect of cannabis medicine and realize that high and low doses can have different effects, opposite effects, in fact. The dosing is such a concern at the moment. In my practice, I work with ultra-low dosing because I'm very blessed. I've had decades of experience working with the plant. I know what I can do with different parts of the plant and even the raw plant. People are healing themselves from cancer with raw plant, no heat, just raw. So in other words, we've been working with the cannabinoid acid version. Wow. And so here's the thing I'll share with you quickly. It's so fascinating, Susan. There's this beautiful study that was done for migraines and nausea. And they were working with CBD-A, which is the precursor to CBD. And THC-A is the precursor to THC. So in these studies, it was shown that CBD-A from the raw plant is 1,000 times stronger than CBD. I'm going to say that again. In the study, CBD-A from the raw plant was a thousand times stronger than CBD in nausea and migraine studies. And in the same study, THCA, in the same study, THCA, the precursor to THC was 25 times stronger than THC. Can you believe that? I mean, that is absolutely mind-blowing. And then you've got to look at the terpenes, because very few people know that the phytocannabinoids inside the plant, actually when you start getting into that plant and going botanically inside, you will realize that the cannabinoids, the phytocannabinoids, originate from the terps, from the terpenes. It's mind-blowing. So this means that the terpenes have got the exact same medicinal benefits. Apoptosis, autophagy, inflammation, pain, metabolic regulation, homeostasis. That's the six main functions of the endocannabinoid system right there. Yeah, so it's absolutely the medical side. You know, I wish I could get more people interested. You know, I've been involved in the medical world since I was a young girl, so I've always got a passion for it. But it's absolutely fascinating what you can do with this plant on a medical… It is, it is amazing. Physically, mentally and spiritually. It's absolutely mind-blowing. I mean, I tell stories in my book about things that can happen on the consciousness realm, you know, of helping people to achieve greatness in their personal lives. So never mind healing cancer and epilepsy and all of that. And animals, oh, Susan, did you know that the animals have the exact same receptors?
Susan Burns: have the exact same receptors. I did not know that, Sistavie.
Sista Vee Nohombile Bush: I did not know that. And a lot of the animals, especially the mammals, they have different levels of the endocannabinoid system. So this is the true story. We have, and I always love to tell people this, the first thing when I start talking about the medicine is that people need to know that the endocannabinoid system is not in any way a new therapeutic target. Are you still there? We have 350 million years of… Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Hi. Yes, now I can hear you. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Yes, yes. Yes, and this is a true story. We have 350 million years of archaeological evidence of the endocannabinoid receptors in a creature that doesn't even have a heart or a brain, Susan. I'm speaking about the jellyfish and the sea squirt. Wow. So listen to this. So after I published my book, I actually received a rebuttal on this fact that I presented. And people challenged me. And they said, you're speaking BS. There's no way. It's 350 million years, blah, blah. So I went back to my 2020 research. I even went to the Czech GPT. And guess what? Those moves revealed. These guys came back with the research and they said, you know what sister, it's actually more likely 500 million years. Wow! So, I really need human beings to be conscious and doctors to be aware that this is not a new therapeutic target at all. We have always had endocannabinoid receptors. And before 1937, CBD was always in the food chain. People were eating hemp seed, the cows were eating hemp, blah, blah, it was in there. And they took it out in prohibition, replaced it with MSG and aspartame. That's when you can go and check me. That's when the cancers and the autoimmunes and autism and all of this stuff started going on a trajectory to the hospital. I think that's absolutely fascinating that jellyfish don't even have a brain, but they have endocannabinoid receptors. And so I've been working with quite a few veterinary people over the years, and it's been so exciting. I once had opportunity to stay for a year on a horse farm, and there were 22 rescue horses and a donkey as well. And the lady who owned the farm, she says to I and I, I can do what I like with these horses, I can study them, I can medicate them, because she understands that they have the receptors. OK, great. That research is very precious to me, the way that horses and dogs are different. Then I can work out the dosing. So I work with a lot of people with the animals, always asking how much oil to give, things like that. So I have discovered that there's only one creature on Earth that doesn't have these receptors. Are you ready to have your mind blown Susan? So the scientists will tell you if you read the literature that insects don't have endocannabinoid system. But I'm here to tell you that I've actually studied and read scientific papers where cannabis research was done on fruit flies, for instance, and mosquitoes. Okay, so those are all insects and they have the endocannabinoid system. So, through my veterinary connection, I now know that the bee, the buzzing little honey bee, bees do not have endocannabinoid receptors. And I don't know why. I can't answer that question. But I am taking it to a spiritual level to inquire about this oddity in the insect world. Because I think that's absolutely fascinating that all creatures on Ja's Earth have got endocannabinoid receptors except for the bee. Except for the bee. Except for the bee, Susan. Well, I think it personally, I think it means that the bee does not come from here. Yeah. So it's interesting because then I've seen in the garden over the years and with the plants, I'm very busy with the plants, I've seen that the bee does not observed its behavior. It doesn't come near the bud, because the bud doesn't have pollen, right? But I have also observed this insect on the male plant, because I have grown and studied the male plant as well. Absolutely fascinating. So the bee, yes, No, what am I looking for? I don't know how to do those things. OK, awesome. Yeah, yeah. I'd love to chat with you again, definitely. They're fascinated by me. They come, strangers come up to me all the time and ask me if they can come and see where I live. And oh my word, it's, it's, yeah. They want to always take photos and oh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I can help you. I can help you. I can definitely help you. Can I please come back to you, Susan? Because it's my birthday on Sunday, and I'm going to be putting my computer off for a few days. And then can I come back to you Monday? And with another date? Okay, great. Yes, and when's yours? What, on the 14th? 13th, wow, powerful, lovely, I love that day. Woo-hoo, I'm 56, my 11th year. Just remember, Susan, nobody ages alone. Yeah. OK, Susan. I will. OK. Awesome. Yes, wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on your show. What an honor for me. Thank you to all the listeners. God bless. OK, we'll chat soon.